- John Sweeney
Well, it looks like I stirred up a bit of a hornet’s nest with Dr Crippen and co. Slip a truth serum into my tea and bourbon biscuits and I might be forced to admit that the nest-stirring effect wasn’t entirely unintentional on my part. Give ‘em enough rope etc.
Still, a day on, I feel it’s now time to munch on a bourbon and reflect on yesterday’s blogfight. Here’s my observations.
1. The argument over on NHS Blog Doc has pretty much settled into the usual screaming match between doctors and nurses over nurse specialists/practitioners/consultants. The usual arguments are being wheeled out. Doctors aren’t good communicators, nurses aren’t intelligent enough, yadda yadda yadda. This argument will probably continue for some time, and probably all be repeated again verbatim next week.
2. My original post was basically intended to make two points. First, that despite the impression one might get from the medical blogosphere, not all doctors are opposed to advanced nursing roles (just as not all nurses are in favour of them). Second, that despite claims repeated by various blogging doctors (including Dr Crippen), these roles are not restricted to the NHS; the private sector uses them too - this undermines the argument that it’s nurse specialists for the poor and doctors for the rich. Both of these points were quickly lost in the mudslinging. I don’t think either of these have been particularly addressed.
3. With certain comments, Dr Crippen really didn’t do himself any favours. The classic of course being, “And note, she has been there for a mere 15 years but in that time has not learnt how to diagnose epilepsy. She is not clever enough to do that. She has not been to medical school. She was probably not clever enough to do that either.” Even those who broadly agreed with his opposition to nurse specialists/practitioners tended to feel that this was excessive and insulting.
4. Just what is Dr Crippen’s fixation with bourbon biscuits?
5. As I’ve said, the argument over advanced nursing roles will continue. Perhaps a little less heat and a little more light might emerge if there was more debate about the relative roles and differences between nurse specialists, practitioners and consultants, rather than treating those three roles as though they’re indistinguishable from each other. From what I’ve seen of the three, one could argue that nurse specialists and nurse consultants occupy a more identifiably nursing (rather than doctor-substitute) role than nurse practitioners.
6. One comment by Dr Crippen that got lost in the maelstrom: “However, what we do have in mental health now is the CMHT which is composed of a collection of people, most of whom are not even trained nurses never mind trained doctors”. Eh? Obviously I can’t speak for what happens in Dr Crippen’s local CMHT. However, in my local CMHT every team member is a registered practitioner of some kind (doctor, nurse, social worker, psychologist) with the exception of one social work assistant and of course the admin staff. Unless there’s something seriously amiss in his local CMHT, what on earth is he on about?
So there’s my thoughts on the whole episode. We must do this all again some time.
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May 27, 2007 at 10:15 pm
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May 20, 2007 at 7:06 pm
Lifeinthenhs
I am beginning to wonder why we engage in debate with people who quite honestly think we are too stupid to get out of bed in the mornings. How dare he suggest that a specialist nurse with 15 years experience isn’t clever enough to diagnose epilepsy. How dare he suggest that nurses are in some way failed medical students. He is becoming a parody of himself!
May 20, 2007 at 8:28 pm
oldschoolbaby
You`ve got a bit to learn yet Z. You certainly found your crocodile but you should have made a diagnosis. More particularly, a diagnosis with a life threatening differential diagnosis. DNUK would have mobilised and we`d have had a blogwar rather than a blogspat.
I`m still struggling to see how a GP can have such a prodigous blog output. Being super cynical I can`t help but suspect that Crippen is simply a mouthpiece for some medical cabal. After the Ratchet blogwar, a medical blogger made some suggestions as to his identity. They promptly disappeared.
As for the Nurse Practitioner issue, I`m sympathetic to the medic`s argument. That`s not to say I`m anti NP. We just need to negotiate their introduction and advancement. As I said on Crippen`s site, nurses are forgetting how precious they can become when N.A`s trespass into their territory. Healthcare is changing, boundaries will inevitably need to change. We should change for the right reasons and change should NOT be surreptitious.
May 20, 2007 at 9:25 pm
zarathustra
Okay OSB, next time I’ll work on starting a full-scale blogwar.
May 20, 2007 at 10:51 pm
Mental Nurse
Oh joy. Glad I didn’t do the post I intended to a couple of days ago.
It was somewhat negative about some members of the medical profession.
May 21, 2007 at 5:03 am
zarathustra
Do it next week Mental. Wait until all the fuss has died down, and then stir it all back up again.
May 21, 2007 at 6:45 am
azazel
John Crippen….that man cracks me up !! :-p
May 21, 2007 at 5:40 pm
slurrey
Looks like the normal bitching between drs and nurses is carrying on over on NHS Blogdoc, I have got bored with it, so came back here.
What is it the man has against biscuts? and flip charts? well everything that doesnt suit him!
May 22, 2007 at 7:28 am
zarathustra
Maybe I’ll start a fresh blogwar with Dr Crippen next week by mentioning what I think of the Madeleine “only missing child in the whole of Europe” McCann media frenzy. Yes, it’s a tragedy, but not the only one out there, and I have no idea why there are missing posters for her in my local pub.
I checked around, but she wasn’t in the pub.
May 22, 2007 at 9:46 am
oldschoolbaby
The cheeky bugger has now written a “support for nurses” post. I wrote a comment pointing out how stretched NHS resources are, how many registered nurses there are, how remote the prospect is of a decent pay rise and how we can all look forward to a contented retirement with the pension fund so grievously in debt. I also questioned whether any of these factors were in G.P`s minds when their snouts were, so recently, scouring the bottom of the trough. Unfortunately, he seems to have excluded me from his site.
I implore the rest of you, particularly the junior ones, to pop across and offer him a little insight into your financial realities. The greedy bastard needs waking up.
May 22, 2007 at 10:47 am
oldschoolbaby
Oh, and of course, could someone please enquire as to whether he is offering biscuits with his sympathy.
May 22, 2007 at 7:39 pm
azulinebloo
I think to argue with him is pointless. He does not listen to others point of view. Save your strength for the important fights OSB!