Before you read on, I would note I tend to write in an academic style, not a ‘blog’ writing style. Sorry about that!
This opener looks at my own recent dealings into the “insight” of two distinctly different people.To clarify, my understanding of ‘insight’ isn’t “How well do they understand what I tell them about themselves and how to be better”; it’s more “How well do they know themselves and the effect they have on themselves.”
I recently came across the Mental Health timeline which turned into an interesting read.Amongst many interesting things there, there is reference to writings by John Locke, English philosopher (1632 – 1704) “An Essay on Understanding”, on the mind and the origins of ‘ideas’.
Essentially he proposed ‘ideas’ come from ’sensation’ and ‘reflection’; ie what we sense and how we interpret that sense. He also furthered that we take simple ‘reflections’ and can put them next one another or add them together to make more complex ideas or even reduce them down to more simple ideas.
Eg
Side by side: Sun is out = it is warm. Dog is panting = he is hot. Side by side – sun makes dog hot.
Adding: Sun is out = it is warm. When I get warm I need less clothes – wearing shorts is a good idea
Reducing: sun is out; dog is panting and I’m wearing shorts. It’s probably hot then.
(I have no idea if that is a good analogy of what he was trying to say – but it’s how I understood it!)
Bearing in mind his writings were nearly 300 years ago, he laid down here the basis of social learning theory.
A suitable extract from the essay, in the vein of “insight”:
There is scarce any one that does not observe something that seems odd to him, and is in itself really extravagant, in the opinions, reasonings, and actions of other men. The least flaw of this kind, if at all different from his own, every one is quick-sighted enough to espy in another, and will by the authority of reason forwardly condemn; though he be guilty of much greater unreasonableness in his own tenets and conduct, which he never perceives, and will very hardly, if at all, be convinced of.
Anyhow, back to my recent dealings;
1. A young guy with long illicit drug use history and anti-social traits and a 6 year history of revolving door syndrome; in-patient detention and community restriction under the MHA.
His story is not dissimilar to many others; broken home, violent father and step fathers. Introduced to cannabis by one step father. He remembers his childhood for what it was worth and pretty much understands how he got heavily into illicit drugs and consequentially acquisitive crime. One bad dose or 3 of amphetamine IV and he flipped out. He admits it, he was ill. The man up his nose stealing his oxygen can confirm it. He got treated and the psychoses more or less passed. He had a relapse after winning a substantial amount of money – wonder where that went? After that, he quit IV amphetamines. He continues to have psychotropic depot, despite his clearly evident akithisia side effect. He still imbibes in the weed and occasionally self medicates with benzodiazepines (Valium) to combat the muscular tension of akithisia.
Regardless of the medical recommendation, he continues to use illicit substances tho (tells me he) abstains from amphetamines. Sometimes he self medicates, other times he needs relaxation. He knows IV amphetamines run the highest risk of mental relapse and does not discount the paranoia potential of cannabis. He’s actually taught me a huge amount (more) about illicit drugs; the psychology, physiology and the lifestyle.
Regarding “insight”; the doc records him as a) lacking insight and b) having poor judgment.
This is based on the notion that
a) He says he’s not mentally ill
b) He refuses/fails to cease taking illicit substances.
The point in this matter on both those issues is:
a) He isn’t actively mentally ill, but he knows he has been and runs a risk of becoming so again – even with just stress. He knows the man up his nose who was stealing his oxygen was crazy talk. How that isn’t insight, I don’t know.
b) He chooses to self medicate for genuine reason. Either need to relax (avoid the stress that may bring on the mental illness) or to qualm the akithisia (that prevents him sleeping without Valium and wakes him every morning after it wears off). He might be limited in his knowledge of how to deal with himself in other ways. I would say his judgment is only limited by his knowledge and ability to remedy his issues. So is mine.
He understands the chances he takes in relapsing. He understands his ‘personality’ issues and how they originate from past experiences and his responses. He’s not altogether sure on how to do things differently. Of course, all he has to do is change his coping mechanisms of the last 15 years and he’ll be fine….
I think there needs to be a 3rd aspect that covers c) ability to choose to act more wisely – his ability is impaired or compromised, not his understanding, and this is for discernible reason. It’s the nature of his issues that are the problem. He’s well aware of them. If it wasn’t his problem, or he had a better way to cope, he wouldn’t be taking drugs or stealing stuff (or under MHA detention).
Locke again…
in all cases where any idea is called true or false, it is from some judgment that the mind makes, or is supposed to make, that is true or false
or….
We only know what we know.
2. A man of late 30’s, ex service man (originally I assessed PTSD as he served in the Gulf – but it seemed unlikely as he was not directly in any conflict. I’m re-evaluating that now based on his stories of only being allowed to sleep 3 hours a night on a good night for 6 months or so).
Diagnosed schizophrenia. Has been maintained in the community. Recent involvement with the police caused him to be re-admitted.
He is recorded as ‘no insight’ but judgment is ‘ok’.
Before I relate the detail, Locke again….
“there is a degree of madness in almost everyone. This is because emotions force us to persist in falsely or unreasonably associating some ideas. Madness is the inability to let reason sort out ideas by relating them correctly to our experiences.”
Locke thinks madness is an inability to reason ideas. Although he says ‘emotions’ force us to be irrational in our thinking when we go mad, I would disagree, and in further comments, he disagrees with himself.
“For our ideas, being nothing but bare appearances, or perceptions in our minds, cannot properly and simply in themselves be said to be true or false, no more than a single name of anything can be said to be true or false.”
Where here he says; we only believe what we believe is true.
Distorted perceptions and hallucinations may be of ‘false origin’ but just because we don’t experience them, doesn’t mean they’re not real to the person. We remember that from training don’t we?
Beliefs (reflections) originate in rationale thinking of experiences (sensations). But in ‘mental illness’ it depends on the false origins of the experiences and subsequent reflections of the person that often lead to false beliefs, or ‘delusions’.
Sherlock Holmes puts it better, if you apply this edict to how people can turn ‘crazy thoughts’ or hallucinatory experiences into fixed deulsional beliefs…
“when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth”
So back to guy #2. He is schizophrenic. He does hear voices. He does see faces in the floor. He did think his dog wanted him to open a bank account so they could sell puppies and the dog’s live in luxury. He thinks lots of things happen (like clocks stopping, or inconsequential coincidences) as a miracle. He also believes in coincidence though too. I know this, because he tells me, just like he tells the doctor.
The doc told him “You have schizophrenia”
“No I don’t. I’m clairvoyant”
“Insight – nil”.
I talked to him about his experiences. He told me the spirits offered him guidance (?command hallucinations), but he never acts on it without applying his own moral judgment to the issue. He always has the final say. The only time he became angry at the spirit guides was because they didn’t advise him on a particular issue.
He tells me he gets stressed and angry with his dad who yells at him when working on the farm. Or because his dad doesn’t care to hear about his goings on. I’m going to take “A Beautiful Mind” in for him when I can find a copy. He’s never seen it he told me.
My issue with this “insight” is the ’semantics’. He knows exactly what experiences he is having. And they are happening. He doesn’t act on them always, only when he chooses to. Much as Mr Sane would act on his conscious thought or decision-making considerations. He doesn’t act irrationally on the guidance – I asked him if the spirits told him to kill a child, would he. He looked at me as if I were mad – “No! Of course not.”
The fact he doesn’t want to call it shizophrenia shouldn’t matter a fig.
As for the dog and the bank account; I haven’t got to that one with him yet. But I’ll bet there’s a truthful experience and reflection somewhere at the heart of his false belief.
I’ve posted this because, for those who may have read my earlier PTSD posting, I have often (and recently again) come across those ‘deluded’ or ‘psychotic’ patients who, by discussion and discovery, have made more sense to me within their psychotic state than those who seek to treat them.
Psychological therapies with delusions can work. The ‘trick’, I believe, is to accept their world as it is, understand their beliefs from within their world and seek to help them rationalise the context of their experiences. I think that’s psychotherapy. Anyone who doesn’t take the time to get into the world of the person they are treating will never truly know them. That would be known as lacking insight.
Applying unconvincing drug therapies to a supposed disease of unknown origin in which the clinician has no understanding or insight and, even when it stops, improvement is believed only to be because of the medication they’re on – and so they shall stay on it forever – in my reasoning, constitutes poor judgment.
To close, I’ll let the clairvoyant have the last say:
I asked him why he seemed to accept the spirits for who they were and not be distressed by them.
He simply said “Ah, well if I didn’t do that… then I’d probably go mad”.





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Fascionating stuff Mr Ian. I discovered the Mental Health Timeline a while ago, check out also the related history of mental health survivors at http://www.mdx.ac.uk/www/study/MPU.htm
There are some amazing accounts of people’s experiences on these sites which I’m sure would inform your thinking on “insight”. I was particularly interested in John Perceval’s account of his own difficulties (and incidentally he founded the first “survivors” organisation, The Friends of the Alledged Lunaticks” in 1845). What struck me were the similarities between the effect of his own experiences and those detailed by present-day writer/survivor Clare Allan.
I loathe the word “insight”. All it means to me is “two people have no common understanding of some given phenomenon”. We could say that about football, music, dog-turds or Spinozan philosophy in addition to our concepts about mental health.
Psyche staff could resolve this by developing a shared understanding together with each person they deal with (which is what the emerging, more “spiritually-oriented” thinking is recommending) or they could continue to impose their own beliefs and values on their clients. Examine history and they will find this has only limited value.
When I get to do my “service user perspectives” bit with MH students at the local uni I tell them that “insight” is an anagram of the word “shiting”, which isn’t quite in the dictionary, but perhaps ought to be.
George Berkeley was a contemporary of Locke; I have lifted the following from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Berkeley
“Bishop Berkeley, was an Irish philosopher his primary philosophical achievement was the advancement of a theory he called “immaterialism” (later referred to as “subjective idealism” by others). This theory, summed up in his dictum, “Esse est percipi” (”To be is to be perceived”), contends that individuals can only directly know sensations and ideas of objects, not abstractions such as “matter.”
Berkeley’s theorizing was empiricism at its most extreme. In his first publication, regarding vision, he stated that we only really perceive two spatial dimensions, height and width. As a young man, Berkeley theorized that individuals cannot know if an object is, individuals can only know if an object is perceived by a mind. He stated that individuals cannot think or talk about an object’s being but rather think or talk about an object’s being perceived by someone; individuals cannot know any “real” object or matter “behind” the object as they perceive it, which “causes” their perceptions. He thus concludes that all that individuals know about an object is their perception of it.
This raises the question whether this perceived object is “objective” in the sense of being “the same” for fellow humans, in fact if even the concept of other human beings, beyond individual perception of them, is valid. Berkeley argues that since an individual experiences other humans in the way they speak to him —something which is not originating from any activity of his own —and since they learn that their view of the world is consistent with his, he can believe in their existence and in the world being identical or similar for everyone.
It follows that:
1. Any knowledge of the empirical world is to be obtained only through direct perception.
2. Error comes about through thinking about what individuals perceive.
3. Knowledge of the empirical world of people and things and actions around them may be purified and perfected merely by stripping away all thought, and with it language, from their pure perceptions.
Theologically, one consequence of Berkeley’s views is that they require God to be present as an immediate cause of all our experiences.”
Presumably when patient learns that their perception of the empirical world is at odds with that of those around him, he or she stops believing in the existence of those others and rejects their world as being similar or identical to his., hence psychosis.
I have a patient who has experienced a psychotic break down which has left him with a deep seated feeling that nothing around him is real. Having had his perceptions so comprehensively fooled once how, he asks, can he be certain now that any thing is real? And how can he be certain that nothing like it will ever happen again, or indeed is already happening? It made me think of Descartes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/René_Descartes) and his philosophical mediations where he muses on the nature of reality and comes to the conclusion that the only thing he cannot be deluded about is the fact of his own existence which led to his famous dictum Cogito Ergo Sum or “I think therefore I am”. How Descartes gets from there to proving the existence of god is a mystery to me but as my client’s father is a Church of England minister perhaps he can help.
Berkeley….Locke…So who says us nursies are too thick to do anything except eat bourbon biscuits.
Keep it up guys, this is turning into a fascinating thread.
Did Descarte have Berkeley’s dictum the other way around.
“I percieve therefore I am??”
“To be is to do”–Socrates.
“To do is to be”–Jean-Paul Sartre.
“Do be do be do”–Frank Sinatra.
Now where are the buscuits, ah Do nuts Mmmmmmmm…
This is a baaaad philosophy joke, so those of you with a sense of humour may wish to look away.
Descartes walks into a restaurant and asks for a menu.
The waiter asks, “Would you like the wine list?”
Descartes replies, “I think not”, and promptly vanishes.
Okay, I’ll get my coat. I’m derailing this interesting thread with rubbish jokes. I’ll shut up now.
Fascinating post on insight, Mr Ian, thanks. I agree - we have to deal with people’s own realities, not constantly bang up against their “lack of insight”.
I once had a young man describe to me, in the presence of a student, that his mental health problems were due to him getting stressed out and needing a rest. When he was stressed out, the people who spoke to him got louder and more scary, and his mum got more worried about him. He didn’t believe for one moment that any of this was due to an illness called “schizophrenia”, but he acknowledged that the medication had helped him feel less stressed and subsequently had made the people who talk to him a bit quieter.
When I discussed this with the student afterwards, he said “well, he hasn’t got any insight, has he?”
Cue a long sermon from me.
Really good post Mr Ian. Enjoyed it thoroughly. Insight is a concept of only limited use and should be recognised as such by nurses.
I was told that insight is how much you agree with your consultant - by a consultant. I liked his approach.
Liking his approach will probably get you far with this consultant.
I always tell mine they have to prove it to me first.
Then when they earn my respect, I’ll give it them.
Then when they earn my respect, I’ll give it them.
How can it work any other way?
ok… “when they prove their worthiness, I can stop behaving like a subordinate sycophant and really mean it” ?
Yeah, 1 point to you. ;o)
(I’m working under the draconian medical model at the moment - please excuse my ‘ventilations’)
I think, from his previous actions and tone of voice, that he was actually being flippant. And, yes, he had earned respect before this.