Comments on: The will to do no wrong - Part 1 - or - doing an ‘E’ http://www.mentalnurse.org.uk/2008/04/12/the-will-to-do-no-wrong/ "Philosophical rhetoric when not grounded in reality is nowt but sophistry of the most facile variety." - DeeDee Ramona Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:34:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Jan http://www.mentalnurse.org.uk/2008/04/12/the-will-to-do-no-wrong/#comment-7969 Jan Mon, 14 Apr 2008 11:46:40 +0000 http://www.mentalnurse.org.uk/?p=645#comment-7969 Well said that man! My blood reached boiling-point about a year ago when one of London's top bobbies stated in the national press that homicide among people with mental health problems was on the increase - he was using thsi as an excuse to seek greater police powers. I appreciate your referencing evidence to the contrary. I remember thinking at the time "where the 'kinell's he got his figures from?".<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-7969">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p><div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7969','Jan'); return false;">Reply</a> </div> Well said that man! My blood reached boiling-point about a year ago when one of London’s top bobbies stated in the national press that homicide among people with mental health problems was on the increase - he was using thsi as an excuse to seek greater police powers. I appreciate your referencing evidence to the contrary. I remember thinking at the time “where the ‘kinell’s he got his figures from?”.

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]]> By: dazedandconfused http://www.mentalnurse.org.uk/2008/04/12/the-will-to-do-no-wrong/#comment-7922 dazedandconfused Sun, 13 Apr 2008 09:07:54 +0000 http://www.mentalnurse.org.uk/?p=645#comment-7922 Nope do not think he is being ironic. People with positive (ie: upbeat) auditory hallucinations often never come near the mental health services. IF they are convinced they have a pair of good angels keeping them company and telling them how wonderful they are they will not see the need to see a psychiatrist. They may well perceive their experiences in quite a different light. I believe the Hearing Voices Network has research on positive voice hearing but do not have the time to go and dig it out. http://hearingvoicesnetwork.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 http://www.hearing-voices.org/ http://www.intervoiceonline.org/<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-7922">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p><div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7922','dazedandconfused'); return false;">Reply</a> </div> Nope do not think he is being ironic. People with positive (ie: upbeat) auditory hallucinations often never come near the mental health services. IF they are convinced they have a pair of good angels keeping them company and telling them how wonderful they are they will not see the need to see a psychiatrist. They may well perceive their experiences in quite a different light.

I believe the Hearing Voices Network has research on positive voice hearing but do not have the time to go and dig it out.

http://hearingvoicesnetwork.co.....8;Itemid=1

http://www.hearing-voices.org/

http://www.intervoiceonline.org/

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]]> By: seratonin sister http://www.mentalnurse.org.uk/2008/04/12/the-will-to-do-no-wrong/#comment-7907 seratonin sister Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:02:35 +0000 http://www.mentalnurse.org.uk/?p=645#comment-7907 Beakie I've never heard of anybody having auditory hallucinations of "the chummy sort".Interestng stuff (or are you being ironic ?)<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-7907">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p><div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7907','seratonin sister'); return false;">Reply</a> </div> Beakie I’ve never heard of anybody having auditory hallucinations of “the chummy sort”.Interestng stuff (or are you being ironic ?)

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]]> By: beakie http://www.mentalnurse.org.uk/2008/04/12/the-will-to-do-no-wrong/#comment-7903 beakie Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:00:11 +0000 http://www.mentalnurse.org.uk/?p=645#comment-7903 <i>So, if positive symptoms cause violence, why aren’t there as many violent incidents to reflect this linearly?</i> Because it's not as simple as that. SOME positive symptoms are more positively correlated with violence than others - paranoid and grandiose delusions, for instance. If your auditory hallucinations are the chummy sort who tell you jokes and keep you company, they are less likely to lead to violence than threatening hallucinations identified by you as someone with authority (i.e. God) that tell you to hurt such and such a person before they hurt you.<p class="top-comments">Current score: <span class="top-comments-karma" id="karma-7903">0</span> <small>(to vote for this comment, please visit the site)</small></p><div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('7903','beakie'); return false;">Reply</a> </div> So, if positive symptoms cause violence, why aren’t there as many violent incidents to reflect this linearly?

Because it’s not as simple as that. SOME positive symptoms are more positively correlated with violence than others - paranoid and grandiose delusions, for instance. If your auditory hallucinations are the chummy sort who tell you jokes and keep you company, they are less likely to lead to violence than threatening hallucinations identified by you as someone with authority (i.e. God) that tell you to hurt such and such a person before they hurt you.

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