Stories such as this one infuriate me. Once again we have a lawyer who is paid far too much money to try to find a way of reducing the punishment of a man who has undeniably committed a heinous crime, and the best he can come up with is “he couldn’t help it; he’s mentally ill”.
Previously on mentalnurse there has been debate on the pathologising of behaviour and it’s not a simple argument to resolve. We are, on one hand, a product of everything we are and experience; but, on the other, as humans we have ability to rationalise and, ergo, we can exercise choice.
This juxtaposition has been something of a burden for mental health law for many years - at what point does someone cease to be culpable?
MMW again;
Are we going to get to the stage where no crime is punishable? Will every crime be attributed to mental illness? Will all murderers, rapists, and paedophiles be regarded as victims of illness rather than bad people? Where does it end?
In my opinion, it doesn’t really matter: If they do something against society - they lose their right to be a part of it. What needs to change is how we deal with those who offend our social laws and values.
As a mental nurse working in forensic mental health, I’ve seen very few (by comparison) of people who break the law in the context of a mental illness. That is, if you exclude all those who have intellectual impairment, substance misuse, personality disorder and psychopathic traits.
It is my opinion that this latter cluster of ‘presentations’ no longer (nor ever did) belong in the mental health system. They are not mental illnesses - they are pathological conditions or behaviours which are not characterised by a transitional illness - but simply who the person is.
At present, this latter cluster often present within the forensic mental health system simply because it is felt prison is not the right place for them (by nature of a natural infirmity) or because their behaviours indicate “something is not quite right” (eg borderline personality).
Unfortunately, for those who break the law and require secure provisions away from society, mental health services have been the default service for anything that doesn’t fit prison. There is no other alternative.
It is widely accepted (without a single reference on that blanket statement - despite extensive research) that those who present differently - require different ‘treatment’. Mental illness requires traditional psychiatric treatment; psychopathic behaviour requires strict, structured systems; personality disorder requires behavioural therapies; intellectual impairment requires the service to provide an ‘external brain‘ to make life and survival more achievable. So why do these different presentations all get lumped together into one generalised service?
I do believe tho that much behaviour can be pathologised. But I agree with not ‘excusing’ all behaviours simply because we can pathologise them. These non-mentally ill - but ‘clearly not right in the head’ people are not appropriately placed in mental health care.
Is this as stupid as it sounds? But perhaps the perfect disposals for these individuals;
Psychopaths can go star in Exile Island.
Personality Disorders in Big Brother.
Tags: forensic, mental health


8 comments
June 2, 2008 at 12:18 am
Oliver_Smith
Interesting indeed (from the point of view of a student of the law).
My understanding of the law of Scotland in relation to mental illness and criminal offences is quite sketchy (despite it being what I study!). However, I do believe that in Scotland for a defence of insanity to be successfully launched lawyers do not even need to prove actual mental illness (insanity being an entirely legal concept).
I must admit I’m more of a “this beaches my client’s Human Rights man”
June 2, 2008 at 12:31 am
rowcherumble
Someone with Personality Disorder = someone who should be disposed of by society = worthless person.
Discuss.
June 2, 2008 at 10:47 am
peskystudent
This is such a huge complex issue and I haven’t got any answers. But I do believe that pathologising behaviour is rarely useful. And I do believe that all the categories of people Mr Ian listed do belong in the mental health system, because I do not believe that the mental health system should be medically based. All these people are suffering mentally and emotionally. If we as mental health workers care about humanity, how can we exclude people from receiving help just because they don’t fit a diagnostic description of a mental illness? Mr Ian, I’d like to know how you would have viewed people and their suffering before you were brainwashed by psychiatry? I’m sure there is a clear-seeing human being in there somewhere, at least I hope so!…
June 2, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Mr Ian
Oliver: In keeping with the M’Naughten rule and concepts of ‘mens rea’ or ‘acteus rea’ - none of those people I list are culpable.
Mental illness - by virtue of the distorted perceptions or experiences. Yet also psychpaths and personality disorders - by the nature of their construct - they are programmed to respond the way they do. This is my belief. However, the ‘disposal’ (or ‘care’) of these individuals is what concerns me most. They are not best served in a medicalised psychiatric model that seeks to ‘cure’ a transient illness and then discharge. They are. IMHO, long term needs - or lifers on parole.
rowcherumble:
The context of the term ‘disposal’ was intended for the circumstance - not the person. I apologise for any offence in my choice of words. However, ‘disposal’ is a colloquial term of legal-speak. Perhaps ‘dispersal’ ought be better? However, the fact remains, those who breach the societal laws to such a degree that their liberty is (rightfully) withdrawn are, ipso facto, disposed of from society (until later returned).
peskystudent:
The mental health system should not be medically biased as long as we continue to ‘treat’ those who are not medically “unwell”. However, we do - and we continue to allow medicine to right the ticket on them. This is not equitable to the many similar people who reside in prisons and have their ticket written for them by probation - often with a psychologist report in support.
Fear not, I am a human and I see the ‘needs’ of each suffering individual as being a part of our all-inclusive nursing virtues. It is interesting to note tho that psychopaths tend not to suffer - only their victims and if we stopped applying these ‘rules’ to them they would be most content with their un-empathic life.
However, I also advocate that such services should be more focussed and clearly defined in terms of just what they are attempting to achieve and how. You wouldn’t put a person suffering Alzheimer’s into a medical ward seeking a cure - why put a psychopathic personality into a mental illness ward?
June 2, 2008 at 2:26 pm
E
Why has he got Paul Whitehouse (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44017000/jpg/_44017844_paul_whitehouse300pa.jpg) defending him, can’t he afford a proper lawyer?
I remember a story (probably apocryphal) about a defendant who argued in court that in a deterministic universe, and given the circumstances of his upbringing and recent life experiences leading up to the offence. Free will in his case an illusion and he was powerless to have acted otherwise and should not be punished.
The judge accepting this defence regretfully explained to the defendant that in a deterministic universe and given the circumstances of his upbringing and training leading up to the moment at which he was about to pass sentence, that he the Judge was also was unable to act with any degree of free will and thus found himself unable to do anything other than impose the heaviest penalty he could under the law.
The I couldn’t have done otherwise defence cuts both ways.
June 2, 2008 at 8:11 pm
peskystudent
Mr Ian,
Sorry, am being slow. What does this sentence mean?:
we continue to allow medicine to right the ticket on them
Thanks
June 3, 2008 at 12:27 am
Mr Ian
means I’m illiterate.
‘write the ticket’ - ie psychiatry treats people who don’t have p[sychiatric illness.
June 4, 2008 at 12:42 am
peskystudent
Ah, ok, gotcha, thanks! So I agree that psychiatry shouldn’t be treating those who do not have psychiatric illnesses. I also don’t believe psychiatric illnesses actually exist, but let’s put that one aside for a moment. What I’m saying is that I don’t believe the mental health system should be a psychiatric system at all - that is, we could have a few psychiatrists peppered around, they can be quite handy in terms of their drug knowledge - but psychiatry is such a tiny piece of the answer - it should take up maybe one corner of the mental health system but instead it rules dominates, and then we get into stupid arguments about which kinds of people with which kinds of mental and emotional problems should be cared for by the system and which should be left out in the cold.